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As far as I know many countries use Digimarc for their money.

EDIT: Here is a source:

    Recent versions of image editors such as Adobe 
    Photoshop or Paint Shop Pro refuse to print banknotes. 
    According to Wired.com, the banknote detection code in 
    these applications, called the Counterfeit Deterrence 
    System (CDS), was designed by the Central Bank 
    Counterfeit Deterrence Group and supplied to companies 
    such as Adobe as a binary module. However, 
    experiments by Steven J. Murdoch and others showed that 
    this banknote detection code does not rely on the 
    EURion pattern. It instead detects a digital 
    watermark embedded in the images, developed by 
    Digimarc.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EURion_constellation

An interesting hack is that this Digimarc pattern could be used for a Copy Attack [1]. To my knowledge the mark is not tied to the image of the bank note in any way. So in short: You could extract the Digimarc pattern and apply it to any other document, which then in turn could not be edited by mentioned software.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Copy_attack



The fact that the watermark detection algorithm doesn't seem to require a tremendous amount of processing power unlike most image processing/detection algorithms - apparently it's present in scanners and photocopiers too - implies that it could also be embedded in camera firmware, making it very possible to produce cameras that refuse to take pictures of certain things... I find that more unsettling since scanners/photocopiers are somewhat more specialist equipment today, whereas practically everyone has at least one camera. Imagine not being able to take a picture of something crucial like a crime in progress because there happened to be something watermarked present in the scene. That's why I don't believe in leaving these types of moral decisions to the machine.

I think it's only the legal issues that keep people from RE'ing the algorithm and generating obviously-non-banknote images which get detected, in a similar spirit to this:

http://news.cornell.edu/stories/2015/03/images-fool-computer...

As the watermark detection algorithm is not that resource-intensive, I would guess that a false positive is even easier to produce.


Wait, so you are against the new PROTECT system that scans all images for signs of child sexual abuse and blocks and reports any images containing those signs? Why do you love child abuse images so much? Why are you protecting child molesters? Are you are a pedophile?

All said with a /s, but with a serious question. What happens when we reach a point where the software and hardware exist to do this? Many hosting providers are already doing something similar as well. I believe they work by taking a image hash and comparing it to a known database, but the newer hashes work even as the images are slowly modified.

Would there be any way to stand against this trend without being demonized?


Similar is the argument that anyone who wants privacy/freedom is either a criminal, terrorist, or hacker (cracker)... but "think of the children" evokes such an emotive response among most of the population that it's difficult to counter.

I'm just glad we're not at the level of "open-source image processing software and hardware enables banknote counterfeiting" yet...


> Would there be any way to stand against this trend without being demonized?

Suffrage, Civil rights, Gender equality movements have/are been able to stand and change world while being demonized.


> Would there be any way to stand against this trend without being demonized?

Every political position is demonized by its opponents. The ones that are successful are championed by people that persevere even though they are demonized. (That is not, of course, to say that all those with such champions are successful, however.)


I wonder how it would work if I had a t-shirt with this constellation watermark on it.



Sadly that download link appears to be dead.

edit: found it here https://github.com/jplona/code/blob/master/eurionize.pl


Note that the Digimarc currency watermark is distinct from the EURion constellation. The latter has been well-documented publicly, the former not yet, as far as I know.


And GIMP for the win! Finally a reason the GIMP is better than Photoshop. Haha.

(Jokes aside, I love GIMP and just want to make clear I hate the whining of the irrational "GIMP is worse than Photoshop" family of HN posters.)


It's interesting hearing complaints about GIMP from Photoshop-using friends. They're mostly the same complaints I had trying Photoshop. It's clear to me the problems are more experience than legitimate issues.


agreed. GIMP is my good friend. I use it every day.




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