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there is something interesting about someone that says "I'm flagging anything I see that is uncivil" in their profile, but says "I think we should have public hangings for anyone who suggests clearing land for AI." in their comment.


Incivility is when you say something I don't like. I intended this remark to be facetious, but that is actually the definition, according to Wiktionary:

> incivility sense 1: (uncountable) The state of being uncivil; lack of courtesy; rudeness in manner.

> uncivil sense 1: Not civil; discourteous; impolite

> civil sense 2: (comparable) Behaving in a reasonable or polite manner; avoiding displays of hostility.

> reasonable sense 3: Not excessive or immoderate; within due limits; proper.

> polite sense 1: Well-mannered, civilized.

> well-mannered: Having good manners; polite, courteous and socially correct; conforming to standards of good behaviour.

> hostility sense 1: (uncountable) The state of being hostile.

> hostile sense 3: Unwilling.

> discourteous: Impolite; lacking consideration for others.

That's presumably why the feminists developed the concept of "tone policing".


I think I presented my thought in a civil manner.


I think the issue is there’s very few empty existing buildings big enough to house a modern AI data center.


> The obvious answer to everyone's concerns is to build them in unused buildings in cities that already have infrastructure to support them.

This is the problem.

These are mostly old office buildings.

They are not designed to supply that much electricity and water on each floor. These racks and equipment also weigh a lot and the building floors and building itself probably isn't rated for that.

Not only that, but to get the buildings themselves more electricity and water often requires a very expensive process of digging up possibly multiple streets, with associated costs and permitting.

In addition to the water delivery issue, there's power delivery. It may not even be possible to get that building enough power in the next decade or more, because there simply may not be enough power generation capability.

Basically, a lot of the same problems that exist when trying to turn an old office building into high rise apartments, but magnified many times over.


Around here they are cutting down forests. Sometimes even protected forests without getting permits, trying to beg for forgiveness after the fact.

They don't need to maximize every inch of the building, if that means less capacity then so be it.

As far as water and power, that's why I mentioned in cities that already have capacity. Or at least the ability to run new lines without digging up the roads, because they have tunnels for such things.


> As far as water and power, that's why I mentioned in cities that already have capacity.

I'm not sure those exist in any meaningful number.


not really. datacenters require greater weight, power and cooling density per square foot than the typical commercial office space was built to accomodate..


Then they can put less stuff in each one. Destroying nature to maximize corporate value is not ok.


the economics do not work without the density.




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