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Email is like the horse and cart now, and these attempted solutions are the cars. Just because something isn't broken doesn't mean it can't be improved.

That being said, you ask if they are trying to fix something that isn't broken. But, if you look at what they are trying to solve, it very much is broken. Email, forums, messages, comments, blog posts, SMS, etc. Communication online is disjointed and broken. A single system that can pull it all together would do a lot. It's why I was/am so hopeful about Wave.



That's because all those methods achieve different things.

Email is completely different to SMS, which is completely different to blog posts, forums, etc They all have totally different dynamics.

A single unified system would be horrible.


SMS, Email, IM and FB messages all have similar dynamics. A unified system combining these four makes a lot of sense and wouldn't be horrible.


Email, SMS, blog posts, forums, comments here on HN: All are exactly the same thing at the core. They are all text. Some might allow images or other media. Some might allow attachments.

But they are all essentially the same: all elements of a conversation or content. The only difference between them is how they are created or displayed, and that's a UI feature.

You're probably making the mistake of assuming that things would have to change in your use of SMS, blog posts, forums, comments or YouTube videos to utilize a single system. That's not the case. The benefit isn't that it changes the way you do things, but that you can do more than what you do now.


> " The only difference between them is how they are created or displayed, and that's a UI feature."

That's incorrect IMHO. It's also completely different how people use them.

If I want to ask my wife to get something extra from the shops, I won't email her. I'll SMS.

Each medium carries with it 'urgency', whether you expect a response now or in the future, whether it's open for discussion in a group, etc etc

These things didn't just come about by chance, they came about because users want several different methods of communication depending on what they want to say, and their expectations regarding response/discussion etc

It's like saying that the internet will make books obsolete. They serve completely different purposes.

To an engineer SMS/email/forums etc may be the same. But socially they're completely different.


> That's incorrect IMHO. It's also completely different how people use them.

It's not. You're just confusing what it is with what it does. A car and a 18-wheeler have a completely different purpose, but they are both vehicles. They both operate on the same basic principles (driving on roads).

Edit: I just want to clarify. What I'm saying is that they are the same at the base level. Their are difference, but at the core, what they are, are the same. How people use something is at a higher level.

> If I want to ask my wife to get something extra from the shops, I won't email her. I'll SMS.

But you aren't actually SMS'sing. You're using an application that handles the message protocol for you and it get's the message to your wife. Intent and purpose are not important in terms of centralizing real-time messaging.

Basically, you fall into a trap: you make the assumption that anything you know now needs to change. A service like what Wave or Facebook are trying to do wouldn't supplant what you are doing. You'll still SMS your wife. However, you'll also be able to "email" your wife, who will get it as an "SMS".

Each medium carries with it it's own urgency, but each medium is also beholden to it's UI. Their is nothing special about email or SMS or comments or messages other than context, and context is not defined by the content.

I'm probably doing a piss poor job explaining this. But the problem is real, and the solution has a LOT of potential if done correctly. People just have a hard time differentiating form from function.

I think Facebook is going to solve this by slowly demonstrating all of this over the long term. You'll see them implementing the system into things people already know. Essentially, you'll still SMS like you always do, but the backend will have additional tools that centralize content without you doing anything different.




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