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The question is, "what is a living wage?" The goal posts keep shifting...which doesn't help the case for this. If it were just "you can afford rent and food" that would be fine, I suppose...but it has now extended to so many other things that I wouldn't really call necessities.


What do you consider living to be?

Should Amazon workers only barely be able to afford rent and food. Should they have $0 left over after rent+groceries? $1? What amount is reasonable, vs what amount becomes excessive? What if they have a child? Or an elderly parent? Or student loans?

> but it has now extended to so many other things that I wouldn't really call necessities.

What ridiculous lavish spending do you think Amazon warehouse workers are capable of buying with their (on average ~$12/hr) wages?

The general argument is that a living wage should cover life. All people are entitled to enough money that they can pay for rent, pay for food, pay for healthcare, pay for basic transportation, and have some amount of discretionary money to spend anyway they want (like say, raising a family, or continuing their education, or having a hobby, or volunteering for a cause their passionate about, or whatever)


I consider it everything up to the level of participation in democratic politics and civil society. Different people may put different needs and functions above or below their line of demarcation.

  breathable air
  drinkable water
  nutritious food
  safe shelter
  quiet and dark sleeping area
  secure property storage
  equal access to the commons
  basic education
  job skills education
  scientific/analytic education
  access to communication
  access to markets
  personal mobility
  medical care
  social contact
  family formation
  social organization
  political influence
   .------------------------------
  <  this is where I draw my line
   '------------------------------
  mercantile education
  philosophical education
  luxury goods
  psychological individuation
  independent exploration or introspection
  artistic and aesthetic pursuits
  finding a meaning in life
  spiritual enlightenment
  Veblen goods


Pretty reasonable list.




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